Curse

audioaxes · Aug 17, 2005, 05:10 AM // 05:10

do i even have to go into why?
i have yet to see a single person NOT hate this horrible map
1) boring
2)too slow paced
3)too big
4)cheap (a team can camp their own spawn forever until you go in and attack them)
5)unbalanced (the already low odds of a non monk team beating a monk team almost drop to zero)
7)because this map sucks so much people often ditch their group if this map comes up.... completely ruining an already bad experience
8)BORING

Lord Bentam · Aug 17, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

#5 .. Haha

I had a team W/Mo, Mo/W ( Me smiter warrior ), E/Mo ( Air Spiker ) R/N ( Conditon Spammer ) Beat a 2 monk 1 warrior 1 ranger team

Both monks were heal :\

thaumaturge · Aug 17, 2005, 05:21 AM // 05:21

I like the map actually, except for when people stand near the res point then it becomes first death wins

Mr Fizzle · Aug 17, 2005, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Well I hate it

but don't remove it it gives a little variety in the arenas rather than just repeatly doing the same thing over and over again

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Just my opinion

Btw my first post

Wiqqa · Aug 17, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25

At least add more and more and more maps! so we will meet the lava one less often

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emil knight · Aug 17, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by audioaxes

do i even have to go into why?
i have yet to see a single person NOT hate this horrible map
1) boring
2)too slow paced
3)too big
4)cheap (a team can camp their own spawn forever until you go in and attack them)
5)unbalanced (the already low odds of a non monk team beating a monk team almost drop to zero)
7)because this map sucks so much people often ditch their group if this map comes up.... completely ruining an already bad experience
8)BORING

I don't mind it... I can't even say I hate it... it's actually kinda fun.

So I'll answer your points.
1) How is it boring? Since you don't exactly explain this point I'd like to see more info here.
2) Any more slow paced than any other map? Again, how so? I don't notice a time difference on this map compared to any other.
3) Any bigger than any other map? I don't think so... this map is relative size when compared to others.
4) Any team can camp thier own spawn on every map until you go in and attack them so this is hardly a valid point. Now if you are talking the OPPOSING team camping YOUR temple that's an entirely different animal.
5) Wrong there... I'm a monk secondary and I bring 2 skills from it, Healing Breeze and Ressurect. I've been in groups with no monk that have kicked butt on this map. It all depends on how well each player knows their own skills and how they use them.
6) Oh wait... you forgot a 6 so there's no point to answer here...
7) This is more of an example than an actual point. Truthfully though this is not the map where I see most people drop, it's the one with the thorn wall for a door and the bridges.
8) Again... HOW SO... WHAT IS BORING TO YOU MAY NOT BE BORING TO SOMEONE ELSE... SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS... I FIGURE IF I USE IT TO EMPHASIZE MY POINT JUST AS THE OP DID IT'LL GET THE POINT ACROSS BETTER.

Or not.

Please, if they take this map out they should take them all out and give us brand new ones... other than the win condition, the rez temple and the lava, it's not really any different than any other map.

Sagius Truthbarron · Aug 17, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Has no anyone who complains about spawn camping ever played GvG before? They has the respawn shrine thing in that too.

I don't find it boring; well, unless everyone on the enemy team leaves and you have to sit there, waiting for the counter to run out.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 17, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

What happend to 6?

I have been to this map in pvp, and i see nothing wrong with it, there was no diffrence between that and the others i tried.. so please stop whinning because you can't win...

KelvinC · Aug 17, 2005, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Don't remove it, but modify it.

To get rid of the camping issue:
1. move the spawn points between the two bridges (so selecting either bridge will not disadvantage the other party).
2. and move the spawn points closer to the bridges (so if they camp at the shine the advantages will be minized)

another option is to make only one spawn point and place it a the middle!

Kai Nui · Aug 17, 2005, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I like this map... so that means you have to edit your post or you're lying.

Timoz · Aug 17, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara

What happend to 6?

I think he may unleash 6 on us if people flame him

Or maybe just a lil counting mistake

It's a great map, probably the best in 4v4 arena. It's complately different to the others with the kill count factor which makes it more exciting..

RotteN · Aug 17, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

1)personal opinion, don't make the mistake thinking your definition of boring is universal
2)in most of the matches i've played on it, the actual fighting starts after 10-15 seconds, nothing different from any other map
3)same size as any other map
4)who said you have to attack first ?
5)we once won 15-0 with a team without big healing power against a team with 2 healing monks, so there's prolly something wrong with your strategy
7)you cannot blame a map for the actions of idiots
8)what's the point in skipping point 6 and repeating point 1 in point 8 ?

i know emil already did this, but i just couldn't resist

QuitBanningMe · Aug 17, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiqqa

At least add more and more and more maps! so we will meet the lava one less often

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winner

emil knight · Aug 17, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotteN

1)personal opinion, don't make the mistake thinking your definition of boring is universal
2)in most of the matches i've played on it, the actual fighting starts after 10-15 seconds, nothing different from any other map
3)same size as any other map
4)who said you have to attack first ?
5)we once won 15-0 with a team without big healing power against a team with 2 healing monks, so there's prolly something wrong with your strategy
7)you cannot blame a map for the actions of idiots
8)what's the point in skipping point 6 and repeating point 1 in point 8 ?

i know emil already did this, but i just couldn't resist

That's ok... it's fun! :P

Hippie Crack · Aug 17, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

I personally think they need to work on burial mounds in the tombs before they toss out a perfectly balanced map like the 4v4 lava map.

Dannzzigg · Aug 17, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

I'd like to see this map eliminated as well.
Perhaps I and my teams have simply not been playing the map to our advantage, and if so, I am wiling to hear alternatives.

The scenario that i have seen repeatedly here is this:

Your opponent camps at their own spawn point, simply waiting for you to attack. If you come all the way across to meet your opponents at their spawn point then your team is at a disadvantage. If any of your team dies during the initial onslaught, then they must run all the way back to rejoin the conflict after the respawn. Your opponents are already there, since you are fighting near their respawn point.

If you do not attack, and the other team does not attack, you simply stand around watching the timer tick off until it becomes sudden death. Once the match becomes sudden death, typically, the team with more healing will win. I know that this can be overcome with the right build, but when you are in Team Arena, do you want to play a build specifically for one map out of several?

Maybe I am just playing the map wrong, or not using the right tactics. It certainly has been a rather boring map for me and my guildmates to play on. There seems to be just too much waiting around most of the time.

Granted, this doesn't always happen. I've seen ranger teams try to trap the bridges, all warrior teams rush for our spawn point, and various other setups as well, but for the most part, it becomes two teams waiting for sudden death, and then hoping that they can out-heal the opposition.

How 'bout Anet eliminates or makes changes to the map to eliminate the drudgery that can take place, and gives us a few more to play on as well?

Red Sonya · Aug 17, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I'd rather see more maps like this with timers, so the ranger runners can run all they want to, in 3 or 4 minutes it's all over anyways.

Thing about these maps, if there are ranger runners in them, there's usually a diversity of other players that play right and don't run like chickenchit cowards, so when the timer reaches zero, just go kill one of them and it's all over and the stupid running ranger will lose without annoying anyone but his own teammates. lol

Paine · Aug 17, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

the map is boring =/

Red Sonya · Aug 17, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

[ If any of your team dies during the initial onslaught, then they must run all the way back to rejoin the conflict after the respawn. ]

WRONG! If you use Rez sigs just like you do on any of the other maps there's no running all the way back to join. And if you don't bring a rez sig to these arenas you're an idiot anyway.

Mr Fizzle · Aug 17, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

WRONG! If you use Rez sigs just like you do on any of the other maps there's no running all the way back to join. And if you don't bring a rez sig to these arenas you're an idiot anyway.

But half the time the people we get DON"T use a ressurction signet since monkey see monkey do.Meaning half the time they get in groups they didn't see there team using one in the lava map,so they repeat.Which is unfortunate